In this episode, the second of Spring 2021, our host Katie Saltkill interviews directors and producers from Carbon Trace documentaries – both past and current. You will hear her speak with director Dr. Andrew R. Cline from our most recent feature documentary film “A Vietnam Peace Story,” followed by an interview with Michael Mayrand, the producer for the award-winning student film “Songs From the Street.”


Host Katie Saltkill:

Hey, everybody!

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For this episode, we’re going to start off talking about a recently completed project titled A Vietnam Peace Story. If you haven’t heard about this documentary before, a Vietnam peace story follows a group of marine veterans as they share their stories from that time and even revisit some of those places. So I’m super excited right now to have the opportunity to talk to Dr. Andy Cline, the director of the Vietnam peace story. Andy, thank you so much for being here. How have you been?

Andy Cline:

Oh, pretty good, I guess.

Katie: So I understand. The film was only recently completed. And so I haven’t seen much of it myself yet. But what kind of gave you the idea to do this documentary in the first place? Like, how did that come up?


Well, like a lot of things, it just kind of actually dropped in our lap. So a fella by the name of Gary Harlan was going to make a second trip back to Vietnam to visit a particular battle site. He had gone back to Vietnam in 96, when the country first reopened to Americans and had a profound experience and so wanted to make another trip and take some of the fellow Marines who are in his unit, particularly to visit battle site Hill 50, in Quang Ninh province, where 10 of his unit were killed. And so he went looking for a documentary filmmaker, he actually on the first trip that he’d made in 96, Mark Biggs, who used to be department head of media journalism film here at Missouri State and then was an Associate Dean in the College of Arts and Letters. Mark is a documentary filmmaker and actually went on that trip. So I guess Gary was used to having documentary filmmakers following him around. Okay, so he went looking, for somebody to do this. And I was actually his third choice. So

yay, that I finally got contacted and got to go, was it kind of hard to pull together? You mentioned traveling and visiting and I know, when exactly did you do the bulk of that was? I know, people are kind of tired of hearing about Coronavirus. But how did that pose any challenges? No, because this was long before Coronavirus. This was March 19. Okay, so when the trip happened before?

Andy: Yes. And then yes, a full year before and what had occurred is that the man who was going or seven of them, they all came to Springfield for a few days. And we had preliminary interviews at that time, this would have been February, maybe early February. And then the trip was roughly the first two weeks of March.

Katie: So the entirety of the filming occurred the few days that they were here before we went and then the two weeks that we were in Vietnam, how long would you say production took, like post-production or post production was?

Andy: Unfortunately, not as smoothly handled as I would have liked. My goal was a finished film by fall of 19. Oh, so you got delayed like a year? Yes, we did. And that was mostly my fault. I put too much work and pressure on a student editor. Yeah, it didn’t quite work out. So we had to find another editor and did and in fact, it was a recent grad who had the time to actually pin that and that was a problem.

It wasn’t that the student editor wasn’t good, or or not capable, or it, this particular student was very popular very much in demand, very talented, was eager to do the project, but it just was, it just was too much. I should have taken it away much earlier than I did. But I was trying to let the student you know, have every opportunity to do the project. And so now it in the end, it wasn’t a problem because the film was completed in the way that I wanted it to be completed, the editor did the work I wanted done, and I’m very happy with the result. That’s good. Can you kind of walk us through, like everything that happened and give us kind of a preview into what we can expect to see in the film. The film is about the sort of psychological journey from Vietnam as a war to Vietnam as a place and a people. For folks my age and older. I had a draft card, but the war would have had to have lasted a couple more years before I would have been in any danger of going well, for people my age and younger. When you hear the word Vietnam, you just tack on the word war, right? I mean, it was you know, we watched it every It was like it was on television every night and and the protests and the strife that it caused in our in our country.

And so, Gary, when he first contacted me about this, and we got to talking about it, he said an interesting thing that really, I knew was going to be the story. He was the one the first one to introduce me to the idea that when you go back as a person, for whom Vietnam is a war, when you go to Vietnam today, right? And you you come back, and it’s no longer a war. It’s a place and a people. And that’s actually a rather profound sort of psychological journey to take. And for folks such as himself, you know, former Marines, that’s a big journey to take. Right? Not so much for me, although I felt it too. You know, I came away, you know that the Vietnamese are lovely people. It’s a beautiful country, the food is great. Culture is fascinating. I want to go back for vacation just as soon as I possibly can.

I just, I just really, really enjoyed it. I wasn’t carrying the same baggage that those Marines as former Marines were carrying.

So that’s, that’s what it’s about. And and I believe we captured it. Yes. It’s a very emotional film, because I believe we captured the story that we we set out to capture, which is, what is this inner journey? really look and feel like? I’ve got goosebumps just hearing you talk about it. I hope that’s what the viewers get out of it, too. And I’m sure they will. You said there were seven people. Did any of them due to the nature of it? Were any of them kind of unsure if it was something they wanted to do? Or were they all pretty eager to see what would happen was a wide range. I mean, one of the things that we do the first act of the film basically is the the pre trip interview. And this is one of the things we asked them is why do you want to go back and and all seven of them had very different answers to that. There was one person who was reluctant to go back, but because he was involved in a particularly harrowing incident on Hill 50 that involved the platoon commander, and his saving of the platoon commander’s life. The platoon commander who went gene cleaver requested that doc Ryerson, the person I’m talking about go and the reason is because doc Ryerson and Gary Harlan were the two people that saved gene cleaver’s life and Gene has no memories of the day. Right. I mean, he came within, you know, a cat’s whisker of dying on Hill 50. And so doc Ryerson. Don Ryerson, they call the Navy Corpsman doc because that’s what the Navy Corpsman are. They’re the medics, right. So they all have the nickname doc. And two of them went along. So when you see the film is you know, there’s doc Ryerson and doc Hastrider. Right. So, um,

so that was a great thing for him to do because he really didn’t want to, but because of the role he played in a particularly harrowing incident on health 50 he did go back and I think all of them had a profound exponent, Marion’s and all of them came to particular understandings of the Vietnamese people and Vietnam that or something better than, you know, memories of the war.

Cleaver tells the story in the film. He’s a platoon commander. And he said, you know, we were you know, they were held down by fire and he said, we had to get up that hill and, and he said, the only way I knew how to get up that hill was to stand up and tell everybody, we’ve got to get up that hill. And of course, what he did, he was shot. And then doc Ryerson came to his aid. And while doc Ryerson was was working on him, a Vietnamese soldier came up behind him fired, hit doc Ryerson in the back, but hit his shovel his entrenching tool. It blew a hole in the entrenching tool which he brought to the interview and showed us right knocked him flat. Well, before the Vietnamese soldier got another shut off. Gary Harlan showed up and and took care of this guy and then and then started giving Jean mouth to mouth. I mean, it’s, you know, that’s terrifying. Yes, yes. One of the guys that went Bob Daddy, who is a marine rifleman, your standard 18 year old enlistee, a lot of these guys said that they enlisted in the Marine Corps, because they didn’t want to get drafted. You get drafted into the army, I guess. The Marines are different things. So Bob was crying even before he sat down in front of the cameras. We were interviewing another one of the guys. And we had a room where we were doing these interviews that was a room just off always kind of a glassed in office.

And he came in, and he sat down in that room by himself. And you can see, he was in tears, even before he sat down for the interview. And he and he sat down for the interview, and he couldn’t even introduce himself before the tears came.

You know, there were reasons for that. One of the primary reasons for this was that that he was involved in an incident, this is something that took place sometime after heel 50. Bob actually wasn’t at Hill 50. He was a replacement who’d can’t come in some weeks after, after that battle. There was his best friend in the unit guy by the name of Charles Alexander was killed. And I think Bob is suffering survivor’s guilt. Because of it. He’s the, as he says, he’s the only one left from his fire team.

At the time, Charles Alexander was in a different Fire Team something they, you know, they, they moved around, they were in the same fire team for a while and then. well, their patrol came up and Bob’s fire team was going to lead the patrol and they apparently led like five or six patrols in a row. And so Bob requested that his fire team not lead that particular patrol. He just he said, he said he only laid down two patrols in his entire tour of duty. And that was one of them. Well, Alexander’s fire team was put lead into the patrol, and Alexander was, was shot and killed. And so, you know, Bob, you know, had some survivor guilt for that what you put, I mean, just right, you could just see and he, you know, and he was, Bob was interesting if he was among, among the seven of them, they were all forthright with their storytelling, but he was brutally forthright with his storytelling. And what as the trip began to unfold, we paid very careful attention to Bob, because we felt like of the seven of them. He was the one likely to have the most profound experience.

And, and in fact, did because in the final interview that we did before leaving Vietnam, he was a rock. There was amin continued to speak forthrightly about his experiences, both at the time in Vietnam and and in processing what had happened to him in country. No tears, no, no fear, no trepidation, no guilt, no nothing. He was a rock. He was a guy who’d had a trip to Vietnam, and it was a great experience.

He’d made the journey he’d made the inner journey.

That’s a pretty big step to take. That’s not something you easily let go of, obviously, he kept it he’s kept it with him for all these years and all of them have. So I think it’s really beautiful that you are able to bring those Stories forward. I think, especially with everything going on today, I think it’s really important that more people get to see that, that it doesn’t get forgotten.

So I know not to not to jump around, but when you did finish this project?

What like last December? So like three ish months ago, probably. And it’s I know it’s in some festivals now. When do you think this will be available for for people to get to see? Well, I hope this spring, if if we get really lucky, and the vaccine works and the distancing and the mask wearing all works, you know, maybe maybe we’ll be able to get it further distributed. Come summer, early fall. And how you know how we’ll do that at the moment? I don’t I don’t quite know, I want to see what happens festivals. I mean, I’d love it. If somebody pick it up for distribution. That’d be nice.

You know,  witness at Torneo we self distributed and had a lot of success at that. Our creative director Shane Franklin was solely responsible for that. Success. I mean, was 50 cities I think, do you think of Vietnam peace strike? I get that big. I’d be nice. You know, if we do our jobs? Well, Shane does his job Well, again, you know? Yeah, I think I think so. I think you know, we’re getting better with every film. Well, I for one, I’m really excited to see a Vietnam peace story in its entirety, as soon as possible. I think I hope a lot of our viewers are just as excited as we are about it. You’ve given me so many great stories and so much insight. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. Thanks.

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So now I’d like to introduce our next guest. Joining me now is Michael Mayrand who was the producer of songs from the street student documentary that came out last spring and 2020. For those who may not have heard of it or seen it yet, songs from the streets main focus is on the Springfield street choir, which is a local choir completely made up of members of Springfield’s homeless community. Springfield street choir provides a safe space with opportunities for the local homeless community to grow and have their voices heard.

Michael, thank you so much for being here today. How have you been?

Michael Mayrand: I’ve been good. So I had the opportunity to watch songs from the street and its entirety. And it really touched my heart.

Katie: So what gave you the idea to create this documentary and bring attention to the street choir? Like, how did you find out about it?

Michael: kind of a funny story behind that. So basically, I want to say a little over a year ago, when I first got involved carbon trace.

I was in one of andy cline’s classes, and he was like, Hey, you know, every Tuesday we have meetings at the mud lounge downtown. And so I went just you know, kind of out of the blue see what was up and then I go in and I talked to like Shane, Shannon, Andy, get to know them all a little a little better. And then they’re like, Hey, we have this project going on. I’m like, cool. I’d love to help now like yeah, like what do you do? Like I want to produce like, who want to be like lead producer on this project? I’m like, sure. Yeah. Like I was it was kind of like that a fake it till you make it mindset. Oh, yeah. I had no idea what I was doing. But it was a great learning experience. I learned a lot along the way and I made a cool project.

For like, while I was there for that first initial meeting, and I was like, Yeah, like, this is a really cool concept idea to get behind. And so after that we started somewhere in the crew and started pre production. And I think it was November that we first started filming and it was just super cool in Lightning Experience because, you know, I’d never really seen that side of life before, you know, people who are always writing the edge between poverty, homelessness, people who have been homeless for literally decades, years, you know, it’s a very hard life to live.

Katie: So for any viewers who may not be familiar with it, what can you tell us about the street choir itself and what the documentary has captured?

Okay, so basically, the Springfield’s require is acquired map entirely of homeless people, you know, here in the community.It’s run by this church called the connecting grounds, their lead pastor Christy Love,a lot of people in charge her cool, you know, Katie crane, Kenny came back, you know, some of the choir directors very cool, very good people. And basically, this choir, it was set up, like, shortly before we started filming, and you know, creating our movie was very, very young, we were there for one of their very first performances. And their whole idea was that anyone can join. And, you know, they didn’t set out to solve homelessness, with this choir, they just want to give these people who know were struggling, you know, at that, probably at the rock bottom, most of the time is trying to give them something to put their focus on and give them a little happiness. And so we set out following the choir itself. And some of what we felt like is most notable members, following them, getting their stories trying to, you know, bridge the understanding between where they are now and where they were before they became homeless, and who they can still be and who they want to be in the future. And the choir had a really big effect on these people. You know, a lot of them say that, they wouldn’t be the same without the choir. And then it gives them a sense of community that they never felt they had before new friendships, something for some new relationships. I know they’re one or two that end up like coupling up, you know, really, really cute love to see that.

But overall, yeah, it was just really enlightening. And, sorry, really enlightening experience, just learning about this whole community of people and their struggles. And now there are homeless people who have no age, they have no certain occupation, no certain mindset that leads into where they are, it’s so many different things that have happened to them, somewhat like some of them are teenagers who have been on the street for years because of use of family, some of them, you know, former recovering current drug addicts, some of them just hit some bad luck. You know, it’s, it’s really hard to like really narrow down one cause for it, there’s just so much.

Katie: Okay, so you said you follow the stories of a couple different people. How many people would you say we really get to, like, meet in the film was, was anybody hesitant to open up?

Many of them were reluctant at first give us their stories, because, you know, we were strangers. A lot of a lot of the people in this community, they it took them time to even trust the choir directors and as Chrissy loved in the church. And so, you know, imagine, you know, you’re just like, doing this choir thing every week. And then all of a sudden, these, you know, TV, people will come in, and, you know, the media doesn’t have like, too great of reputation right now. And so, these people were probably like, oh, like, what are these people doing here? You know, they’re, they’re probably used to people like making them look bad in the news, because people try to treat homeless people like they’re, like, they’re a problem. Like, they’re not people, you know. And so it took us time to kind of gain these gain their trust, you know, learn more about them, treat them with respect, you know, first and foremost, feel a lot of people don’t do that. And, you know, it’s, it’s rough to see that. But like, I remember talking to some of my favorite people that we interviewed James Jr. Paul, they had some really emotional and very evocative stories, you know, especially like Paul, like, learning about him living his whole life in Springfield, being a recovering drug addict, you know, battling mental illness, you know, like this, this whole journey that he’s been taken on and how the choir has allowed him to step up as a leader, you know, Jr. This kid who’s lived most of his teenage years, like, you know, on the streets, homeless,

You know, I don’t want to delve too much into that, because, you know, I don’t want to Well, it’s already out there in the film, but um, nearly Jr. He, he said he states in the film that his you know, he was being abused by family and no one would do anything about it. And so he decided to leave and James who, you know, His story is very interesting too. But this summarize it, he was cutting yo he was moving through Missouri and then I stuff got stolen, and he just kind of got stuck here. And then you know, the snow. Life on the streets is rough and can take you to dark places, from what I’ve learned. It’s that there’s such a wide variety of stories that are told, it’s, it’s hard to think of like just one or two, that really just resonated the most. But if I really had to pick those would be the three that I really felt were the most impactful to me personally.

Katie: Do you think you’d maybe revisit these people in this project in the future? Like, is that something you’d be interested in doing?

Michael: Yeah, I think I would like to do that. I know.After the film came out, a few months later, we did a short little follow up series, catching up with Noah Jr, Paul. Some of the choir directors, just kind of like doing like, uh, you know where are they? Where are they now type of thing. And it’s really cool to see, like, you know, for example, Jr. and Paul, you know, they have, you know, they’re back on their feet, they’re doing wonderful thing to their life, lots of outreach, lots of personal development, which is all we really hope for is that these, you know, these people that we followed and grew connections with, would be able to better their lives and, you know, eventually not be homeless anymore. But we would have, I would definitely, like, you know, years, maybe even months to like, do something like that, to kind of get a sense of where everyone is at now, and how the choir itself is doing too.

Katie: So I just am curious, how did this experience and park Do you? Did anything, maybe exceed your expectations? Or have the experience definitely exceeded my expectations?

I would say every sense of the word no, for me at least, it was very much a trial by fire as producer learning the ropes on set offset, just kind of trying to apply these lessons taught to me like by Shane Shannon, Andy vague No, practically, as best as I could, no, I, I definitely, like made, made some mistakes along the way. But I feel like this project was very instrumental. I mean, Neil, really establishing like, what I want to do as a filmmaker, and forging the connections with, you know, the crew and learning all these various different aspects about documentary filmmaking that I really had no idea about beforehand, you know, I’d never, before this project considered even making a documentary film. And, you know, here I am saying here, you know, it’s definitely like a project, I think, for a long time, I’ll say is one of like, my favorite, most impactful pieces? And, yeah, I would say it was an awesome experience, a very stressful experience. But it was all worth it. You know,

I was gonna ask, like about notable moments, but I think you already kind of touched on that a bit. So instead, I’m just gonna ask, like, Is there anything since you have such so much to show in such a short amount of time? Is there anything that didn’t make it? In the final cut of the film that you wish would have made it in?

Michael: That’s a difficult question. Because we, we spent so much time capturing so much in this I’m sitting here trying to think about, you know, what, like, what did end up on the cutting board because it was very difficult for us to you know, especially in the in the editing process to really decide like, what we felt could be cut because there was a lot of content, especially with their interviews and our following suit for some of the members that were very, very impactful, you know, I felt was really good content to showcase what the message you’re trying to get across. I would I guess if I had to choose maybe just like maybe more time like actually following some of the like some more choir members on the street like I wish I wish we could have talked to more than especially a lot of like the female members of the choir because we didn’t we didn’t have too many opportunities. I know we talk a little bit to people like characters like wildflower I say character cuz she was a very unique person. Like, her person. Her personality was wild in the very fun and eccentric way. Like she was one of my favorite people to talk to.

Yeah, I wish I wish we definitely could have Got more of a diverse picture when it came to the homeless population because no, we talked to jr who now he’s one of the youngest members of the homeless population. But I definitely wish we could have had the opportunity to talk to more people from you know, a lot more like diverse backgrounds get a more complete picture of the fact that you know, it doesn’t matter who you are, what you are, you can still become homeless, you know, this can still be your reality. I think that’s a really good point. People usually when they see it, a person of the homeless community automatically assume the worst without ever considering that it could happen to them. Like, it’s like, it’s not legit, unless it’s happening to me sort of thing.

Katie: So that said, What’s something that you hope viewers can take away from songs from the street or something that you just wish people understood?

Michael: More in general, though, I do hope they see the film.
I hope the viewers can take away the fact that you know, the homeless population here everywhere like the our people, we have a giveaway and I would say at a societal level of dehumanizing and just kind of like pushing these people to the side because of you know, the station where they’re at in life. You know, think for example, think about how Studies Institute

I forget the term for it, but like, aggressive like, benches and stuff like that like, like anti homeless? benches? Yeah. Architecture. Yeah, that’s, that’s the word. Yeah, like, stuff like that, like in New York, how they Institute architecture like that, to where, you know, they don’t want homeless people to be able to sleep there sit there comfortably, and they remove benches in the subway. So homeless people don’t have a place to sit down. Like it’s, it’s messed up, like, instead of actively seeking out solutions, I think, cities and gotten like local governments that a lot of times, they like to just kind of just push it under the rug, you know, it’s kind of like, you know, have a soup kitchen, have a soup kitchen or two and then call it a day have like a homeless shelter here called the day, when a lot of the problems that we do face that cause homelessness are on a much deeper level. And I hope that our viewers can see this film and then be inspired to participate in outreach and talk to the local city state governments about creating real broad change, like, like, outreach on the local level is great, fantastic. But we can’t deny that there are some systemic problems that are leading to, you know, such high homeless populations and our, you know, our big cities, this messed up.

I remember one thing that one of the choir directors, I think was Katie crane brought up was Katie Couric and Christie love. But my both of them, but it was our buses, and how Springfield has a terrible bus system. And like how they really talked about, like, how hard it is for homeless people to like, pick them up, pick themselves up by their bootstraps, as you know, some people like to say, and, you know, make a life for themselves. But it’s like, there’s so many different factors with that, like, for example, if if someone were to get a job at McDonald’s, and they have them working the night shift, and you know, they were homeless, and there was just starting this job, let’s say like, after they get off work, they know that they’re trying to take the bus, they want to take the bus to get home or wherever they’re staying, they can’t, because the buses, like stop running after a certain hour, they don’t go this place in that place. You know, I, I don’t have all the details. But I would definitely recommend, you know, doing more research into outreach, and it’s like talking to your local lawmakers about making big changes, you know, like I don’t I don’t have the knowledge to have give you all the answers. But I hope I hope viewers go out and find those answers from themselves and hopefully make a difference.

Having seen songs from the street myself already, I definitely think you achieved the message you were going for.

And you did also mentioned just now about like outreach. So aside from things like contacting government officials and things like that, is there anything that you can think of that the average person could do on their own to help in terms of outreach?

Michael: First and foremost, I would recommend, you know, going to the connecting grounds, the church’s website and reading what they have about outreach and how you can how you can participate in a local level but first thing comes in my head is so really just like, not naive and like not just your congressman like even like your local governments to like, I don’t think we give enough stock to how long it’s like local government. It really affects us on day

And I think I think it’d be good political level to, you know, talk to your local lawmakers talk to the people, you know, who, who put who know the big businesses and local lawmakers to get them behind these programs. And you would start creating more homeless shelters and, you know, creating plans to eliminate homelessness and investing in these new programs coming out here, like Eden village, for example, here in Springfield. And on a smaller personal level, I would say that volunteering, you know, donating food and your time to help these people. That’s, that’s the best thing I can tell you on a personal level you can do is just create awareness, you know, go to your local homeless outreach programs, or churches and just help. That’s, that’s the best thing I can recommend on the personal level. I think that’s all really good advice, actually, especially for somebody who, you know, may not have thought about this kind of thing much before.

Katie:  So where can our viewers access songs from the street to watch it themselves?

We are right now we’re going through a festival circuit. But I know that once we’re through festivals, we’ll be hopefully uploading the film to Vimeo. And I know we’re planning on possibly having some online screenings. And we also plan here locally in Springfield to have more showings, for example. Right now I’m in talks with the Missouri State University to have a showing on campus and hopefully, within next few months, we’ll have more local showings at no theaters, churches, hopefully, like more do here at MSU. And if you want to, like buy a blu ray, we are right now if you donate like $30, a carbon trace, we have a limited supply, but we are giving away blu rays, people who donate like 30 bucks. And then if we have a good turnout with that, then we’ll you know, hopefully be able to order more and then get more out to the people so they can watch the movie.

Follow us on all the you know, social media channels like Facebook and Twitter, and we’ll keep you guys updated as we figure that stuff out. And you know, get plans may and have showings, ready to premiere. Okay, well, that’s awesome. Um, I hope the festivals are going well. And I’m excited for more people to get to see it soon.

You’ve given so much great information and made some really good points. And I’m really happy that I’ve had the opportunity to talk with you today. So thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time to be here. Well, thank you for having me.

As we wrap up now, I just want to give another thanks to everyone again for tuning in to this month’s episode, which was produced and edited by me Catherine salt kill. I want to give another very special thanks to all of our guests anticline Michael Mayer and if any of you listeners out there enjoyed this episode and want to know more about Vietnam peace story or songs from the street, and I highly recommend you do. You can check them out on our website, carbon trace. net. That is also where you can learn about some of our other projects, new ones, old ones and find things like our newsletter and volunteer opportunities and so much more.

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